After several hours of reading posts on www.boycottnovell.com with regards to the mono code in Gnome and that fool Miguel oh what ever his name is are really hurting the Gnome desktop. Huh! Why? You ask, because they are using .NET code in certain Gnome applications when they can use C++, Java or even Python, but no the they choose to use a proprietary Microsoft(sucks) core language. So I decided it was time for a change and I took KDE for a spin, and you know what I found out is that KDE Desktop is a more solid desktop from a user stand point. Yes, Yes I know what your going to say but in your last post you trashed KDE! That was before I tried it, we all make mistakes damn it at least I can admit mines.
After using KDE for some reason Gnome feels cheap, like is missing something.
A good example is the Dolphin file manager, it just feels more like what a file manager should be, oh dare I say it feels more along the lines of Windows. The one thing Gnome has going for it is the fact that is highly customizable and you can tinker with pretty much every and the same maybe true for KDE I just have not tried to make any custom configurations to it.
Also KDE applications feel like they are part of the Desktop or for what it seems like the OS, I don't for some reason it has a great feel to it. What I mean is that it feels like everything flows right where as in Gnome most applications just don't seem to fit at times, maybe because some are KDE applications or they are applications that are design/built for just Linux with no specific desktop or Distro in mind. Regardless of what the issue with Gnome is, KDE will get more of my attention. The one drawback that I though would be an issue was the KDE icons, but I found out that I can change their size, so it worked out great!
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Well thats your unfounded opinion, that's why I don't respect it, you should in first place know who are you calling fool, because, the people who write boycottnovell are the real fools:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/2007/09/roy-schestowitz-liar.html
If you read Miguel's blog you can really know that he is a very good developer, and even if you chat with him you will know that he is not a fool. He had never say something unfounded like Linus or Richard Stallman does.
First of all, thanks for hiring a lawyer to say that .NET is a treat for Linux as far I know is a standard or not patented software and NO Mono code implements patented code from Microsoft, if you say that Mono does, please point me to the patents(http://www.google.com/ptshp?tab=mt).
In the end I just want to say, good luck with KDE(I was a KDE user), but do not take any decision for not-valid arguments.
btw, you should not use KDE too because it contains C++ code that contains patents too by Stroustrup and AT&T that is by far more evil than Microsoft. And KDE includes spring-loaded folders a direct patent of Apple, yes sir another patent treat, that is not even included in GNOME yet.
Could you please spend some minutes here:
http://jeffreystedfast.blogspot.com/2008/02/lots-of-gnomemono-fud-lately.html
Read the comments too.
You don't have to respect my opinion, I'm not writing this for that purpose this is merely self expression, also Miguel can be a good, excellent or even a great developer that does not mean that he is not a sell out to MS and their ways, boycotnovell.com is not the only site whom have said this about the guy.
Also that link about Roy is about someone who wrote a blog entry just like me and does not make it fact. I think Roy is seeking the truth just like everyone of us. I think the issue is that your seeing this from a developer perspective which is fine, Roy is an end-user nothing more and he as I only want to know what was the reason for Novell striking that stupid deal. Because I will tell you this much I'd rather stop using a computer altogether before I'm forced to use Windows again. The Novell developers don't like it because he's messing with their income which is essentially what it comes down to.
As far as I'm concern AT&T has never said Linux violates 200+ patents and if it has then is news to me. I for one don't like MS because they have no ethics what so ever and there for will not use their apps,code or anything related to them period and as a fellow developer I would suggest not to use MS code on anything.
The Gnome link with regards to Mono code was pretty good and I will keep researching it.
Did you know that those 200+ patents that Microsoft claim Linux inflict DOES NOT HAVE ANY PATENT OF .NET, again I entourage you to search for a .NET patent.
That leads us to think, so.. which are this patents?
Just to mention a few:
* Double click
* Compressed files(tar included here)
* Shared files over network
* Share printers
* Tooltips
* Source control tools
Wanna know more about this:
http://list2.enicaragua.org.ni/pipermail/softwarelibre/2006-November/001419.html
Is in Spanish(I gonna translate it in my blog today), I know, but follow the links, is an email that I sent a year ago, maybe it helps you, to know the real truth, that is:
"MICROSOFT HAVE PATENTS FOR EVERYTHING" but .NET, so if you really have fear of being sue with this patent treat, well, you should be using Windows then ;).
If now you come to tell me that KDE still right and GNOME is wrong, you're just not seeing the facts.
BTW, you know, I FEAR NO PATENTS, and that's why I use Linux in first place, and you might do the same thing dude!, and don't take this personal because we are teammates in Ubuntu-FL :), I just wanted to make you understand more of the "problem".
Thanks, I appreciate the information. It is not about taking it personal I would never do that, I respect everyones opinions no matter what it might. I don't fear patents I just truly hate MS and I try to avoid anything that has even the slightest inclination of their code in it. So this is not about patents is more of a preference for me. Keep the information coming as this is very useful to know.
As far as KDE for some reason, I used it for 3 straight days non stop and I found that GNOME to me is a better desktop overall, simply because it seems more simple to use and straight to the point, but again this is about MS code and if there is any in Gnome I find this to be wrong when there are other programming languages that can be used that is all.
Like what's the Point of having Silverlight, why is this guy(Miguel) pushing that technology when it is a way to make MS a stronger presence on the web, when we already have Flash, why not put his efforts in Gnu-Flash. He has also said things about OOXML(is a great format), you can sit there and say that he's right about both of these technologies, eh no I don't think so The guy is a sell out and he has clearly admitted this by supporting MS applications. But again keep the info coming, good stuff.
.NET and the Silverlight implementations are a win-win to the open source community.
And you may be wondering why?
ok, .NET:
As you may know, .NET is maybe the more adopted platform in Windows for the desktop, and is getting more and more popular in the server with ASP.NET, what we win with this?, ok, everything you may know about .NET is in Mono, in that way, we will "steal" their developers, make them easy to migrate to Linux, and I can tell this is true, I have some friends that are developing .NET apps in Linux and Windows.
And not only developers, also books(everything) that Microsoft says about .NET is applied directly to Mono, so we recycle the money from Microsoft, also the conference and anything that they do to promote .NET, again .NET is getting more adopted, even more than Java in this time, if yo don't believe me, go to monster.com and search for .NET.
And making Mono a better .NET(which I think it is) just make us more powerful having more users and developers.
Silverlight is simple, are we(Linux community) be "missing" a feature just because Microsoft is not interested(and it won't) in making a version for Linux?, Silverlight, let me tell you, will be a successful technology with the help of Linux or without it, so, the same thing that happened with Flash, we(web users) need a Silverlight implementation, independently of an open source version of Flash, Silverlight and Flash are two different problems for the desktop users in Linux.
Well let's just say we agree to disagree I for one don't think that MS code is great for Linux, glad you feel that way, I rather stick to languages such as PHP, Python etc... as for Linux needing Silverlight not true, and it won't be successful unless you have enough advocates such as yourself and Miguel trying to develop for it. Again there is Flash which some might say is the standard for the web of course you and I both know is not. Also that whole .NET thing is for MS developers and again is fine that they like, I don't like, in fact I stick to Coldfusion, J2EE stuff (Java) than .NET but again this is just me not forcing it on anyone.
Another thing, Adobe has created a Flash plugin, Acrobat Reader and now it's Flex Development Framework(open source) for linux in various distribution formats, will Microsoft ever do this with anything they have, no I don't think so, because if they would be willing to do so that whole deal with Novell would have never happened, so again we have two different points of view in this matter. If it was better for us to embrace MS tech. instead of creating our own for any Linux distribution trust me I would be right along side you cheering for it, but is just not the case, regardless of how much facts you want to throw at it. And for one encourage people not to do so in any way, because if and when they do they will at some point have to face the consequences, Linux has been fine with out it so far and will continue to be as long as they stay away from proprietary products(MS) whom are unwilling to embrace Open Source in a correctly ethical manner.
One other thing I wanted to say, look at what IBM is doing, grant you IBM has had it's share of problems with Open Source,Linux in the past but they seen the light and decided that it is better to embrace it than to destroy it something that Microsoft does not share with us. IBM is developing Synphony 8 for Linux from OpenOffice, now why can't Microsoft do that as well instead of trying to keep a choke hold on the market by trying to establish it's own standard when we already have one. Just making these points so that you can better understand why I feel this way about that particular company, because too be honest if Novell would have bee a smarter company they would have said the samething Canonical said to Microsoft which was Thanks but No Thank You! Instead whom did they partner with IBM we got a true communication system with Lotus Notes 8 + Synphony coming this summer for Ubuntu now that is something to be happy about.
And who is Miguel for the world?, Microsoft have some many fans that made 20% of their users move to Vista(which is a very bad OS) what's happens if that 20% choose to develop Silverlight sites? WE ARE SCREW!, thats the power that they have, I can say that .NET have so many users(developers), and it will be cool that these devs move to Linux. Like we do with Java devs, Windows Java devs do not have any problems with moving to Linux, we want that future with Mono and .NET.
And meanwhile we(linux devs and users) support an open source flash plugin(gnash is great btw), Mac OSX and Windows are getting all the plugins that they need to run any silverlight site. We can't be the on-strike users forever, we can't, I don't like to have a desktop that does not work equally or better than Microsoft's or Apple's desktops. Do you? do you like a feature-less desktop?
And yes, IBM is pretty cool, and Google too, but we can't force Microsoft to change their view against open source software. That's out of our hands, what we can do is making Linux compatible with Microsoft technologies(e.g Samba, .NET, Silverlight, OOXML formats, etc) so we can get more users, and that's all, Mono is to get more developers and Moonlight to get more users. All this things have their meaning, if you don't understand now, you will do in the future, and will thank Miguel and folks for Mono, Moonlight, and whatever is going to come next.
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